Am I still natural? Need your advice

This is based on your opinion as well as science, but I really still do consider myself natural.

Obviously I've tried lots of pre workout supplements and done and EC Stack

I tried a cycle of Winstrol and Clen tablet form, solely to lose weight, I lost no weight and gained no muscle as I didn't get my diet in check and didn't train CV, all I did was the occasional crappy home workout with friends in a garage with low weights.

I know I've wasted my money but this has taught me 2 things: I can naturally lose weight by diet and by training hard Cardio Vascularly. I had limited gains as I felt this 'muscle hardness' from winstrol but no growth as I was trying to lose weight.

In my opinion I just got my metabolic rate up with this weak cycle and didn't do anything about it and let it leave my system.

What are you views?

 

Am I still natural? Need your advice

If you've taken PED's then your not natural.

That's like me getting pulled by the law for drink driving and then my defence in court being that i didn't feel p1ssed.

 

Am I still natural? Need your advice

Bit of a grey area mate...

My opinion - Not natural if you have used any steroids

Personally I think claiming natty is ok if only using stims like 1,3-d and eph, but once we start talking hardcore fat burners such as dnp etc I'm not so sure

However this really is a grey area as many over the counter products such as fat burners etc are starting to incorporate hormonal substances such as t2 etc

 

Am I still natural? Need your advice

Maybe it's just for my conscience that I had no gains and see it as something in my system that was there and dormant and has now passed out of my system

 

Am I still natural? Need your advice

Does it matter ?

Either you are acheiving your goals or not.

 

Am I still natural? Need your advice

I was thinking there are rules different in the US and I heard the Jack3d that I tried came up with a PED when someone studied it etc

 

Am I still natural? Need your advice

Need2Grow can you link me that Kai Greene Grapefruit vid if you have seen it

 

Am I still natural? Need your advice

I believe it's banned in athletics etc

As I said, grey area in terms of bodybuilding - it's not like the Jack3d has helped directly recover and build muscle, only allowed yourself to push a bit harder...

 

Am I still natural? Need your advice

I only saw a GIF, just google it if you must se the whole video

 

Am I still natural? Need your advice

I used to think it didn't matter but I've been using Greg Plitt for motivation recently and I'm feeling great again from doing everything naturally. And tbh I'm really proud of it and think it is appropriate to say I've worked hard naturally if I'm asked.