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    1. remstation

      remstation Well-Known Member

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      Hi everyone,

      Ive been a member of this forum for a number of years. I have a bachelor in Biomedical science and I'm studying medicine. I know physiology and bio mechanics very well.

      And yet for all that I still have never been able to get anywhere near my physical conditioning goals. So I need your help
      Right now I'm about 190lbs, somewhere between 18-21%bf I am guessing. I'm reasonably fit (do a fair bit of running)

      I'd describe my body type as skinny fat, in that I've never had much muscle and have always found gaining muscle hard, but I've also never been a skinny ab type of guy: probably haven't been below 15%bf since I was 13 or 14. So i naturally don't gain easy, and don't lose fat all that easy either :/ My ultimate goal is to be 200lbs and 8%bf.

      I've tried various programs and diets over the years. I can preach the basics very well. But for some reason I can't seem to make it all work for myself. There are various reasons I've failed over the years, some circumstantial such as being a full time students (no money for gym/food) to having limited control over food choice. Mostly it's been an inconsistency in application, a lack of consistent motivation.

      Now I know no one here can make me stay motivated: But over the last year or so I have had to really apply myself, fight my habits of procrastination and distraction in order to get into medicine. My success there has given me impetus to try and apply the same effort to finally work toward achieving my physical goals. After all I don't want to be another doctor with a beer guy and skinny shoulders :p
      So I'm set on going again, hopefully this time for some real results. My first goal is to cut to 8-10%bf and from there, to commence a long slow lean bulk adding lbm without much fat. I don't really want to ride the cut/bulk cycle wave over and over if possible. I plan to get lean, then stay lean as I slowly bulk.

      Here are the current challenges to my situation which I need your advice with.

      1) food: I've never been able to follow a tight meal plan. Why? I am a full time student on very limited money. My long time girlfriend is a full time student with very limited money. As such, we currently live in attatched flat to her parents place, and we eat with her family. While I can still exercise control over my diet, dinner is provided for me and I don't have the financial means to provide my own dinner every night of the week. The good news is these dinners are usually pretty healthy and have protein, and I can of course adjust the ratios of what I'm eating to suit my goal (eg grab and extra steak and leave the potatoe or whatever) So I'm in a situation where intellectually I know it'd be better to be able to control exactly how many calories I'm eating each day and the macros etc, but where this is in practical sense very difficult to achieve. What I have toyed with is planning my meals other than dinner to achieve macros and calories suiting my goal, then leave a 500-700 calorie window for dinner with a protein target.

      2) Workout routine: I have never seemed to be able to gain much muscle, even whilst gaining fat and working out. I have recently suspected that maybe my body responds well to volume, as I've never had the patience or dedication to apply my volume in the gym. for example I was recently working out with a martin berkham type routine of very heavy low reps for squats, chins, deads and bench with a few accessories around them. 3 workouts a week, squats plus accessories, chins and deads plus accessories, bench plus accessories. Although i gained some strength, i just felt there wasnt enough volume there to really make any strong progress.

      3) Gym: I have always struggled to afford a gym membership, so I've made a compromise in joining a 24/7 low fee gym (jetts) which has limited facilites. So far it seems i can do mostly everything except deads

      With these considerations in mind, I need advice on how to cut down systematically given that one meal a day (dinner) is somewhat out of control. I find it hard to adjust macros and calories regularly like others do due to limited financial ability to chop and change the food i buy, and i also just find it a bit of a damn chore to try and recalculate macros for everything all the time. I have tired leangains and liked it, if that helps. Lost 2-3%bf on it then have been doing nothing since christmas. I need advice on workout routine.

      I can say that I am ready to give it 100% within the means that I have. I know that as some factors of diet and workout are out of my control, I wont get as good results as others might. But I believe i can still get consistent results.

      So please, any advice on helping me put together a plan to finally achieve my goals is much appreciated.

      Also, I am 23 and I have considered implementing a prohormone at some point. I understand the physiological implications very well, and I know that given I still have alot of progress to make it may be well premature, but it is a future consideration.

      thanks for reading,
      nathan
       
    2. Raleoxilevz

      Raleoxilevz Well-Known Member

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    3. Raleoxilevz

      Raleoxilevz Well-Known Member

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      Diet plan: please critique

      BUILD DAYS: 2200 CALORIE TARGET

      Breakfast (approx 12pm)
      4 egg whites
      2 whole eggs
      2 slices multigrain bread
      200g chicken breast
      300ml trim milk
      vegtables

      Meal 2:
      200g chicken breast
      2 Slices of multigrain bread
      apple

      Nutritional breakdown:
      1575 calories, 54g fat, 98g carbs, 170g protein

      That leaves me approximately 600 calories for dinner with a protein target of 40g, carb target of 40-60g and fat target of 10-20g

      BURN DAYS: 1700 CALORIE TARGET

      Breakfast:
      4 whole eggs
      250ml milk
      120g oily tuna

      Meal 2: 300g chicken breast with salad

      Nutritional breakdown

      1300 calories, 64g fat, 18g carbs, 155g protein

      Dinner: 400 calorie goal, 50-70g from protein, 20-40g from fat, 0-10g from carbs

      As a backup (in case dinner is unhealthy or mismatched to my goals) ill have some steak and chicken in the freezer.

      Thoughts?
       
    4. Korporalegq

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      starting the diet today and will do first workout today (ill log it here) so any advice is welcome on either the diet or training
       
    6. Korporalegq

      Korporalegq Well-Known Member

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      first workout went well.. sore as ###*& today. Diet bit all over the place yesterday as it was first day and im sorting out quantities etc but looks like it'll work okay. Dinner last night was pasta (no good) so i cooked a backup steak from the freezer with a little pasta on the side.
       
    7. vijugati8g

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      no advice?

      Okay.. well i figure the least I can do to start with is get an accurate picture of my starting point. I'll be going to get a full body DEXA scan which is the most respected method of body composition analysis at a reasonable cost currently. Widely used in clinical trials and research. http://www.bodycompositionqld.com.au/index.html

      I'll post the results up here if anyone is interested.

      I'll then rescan after 12 weeks to see whats changed.
      nate
       
    8. Capone

      Capone Well-Known Member

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      Hi, I'm a full time student too and I'm able to keep a strict diet, by the gram. It isn't hard.

      Here's my diet.

      M1 - Whey

      M2 - Eggs and oatmeal

      M3-5 - Chicken breast and brocolli (I cook all of them at the same time)

      M6 - Casein .

      So don't give up, and dont give excuses.
       
    9. parnassto

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      Make it a habit. And your discipline will adapt.
       
    10. emininojiq

      emininojiq Well-Known Member

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      I hear ya. Thanks for the advice re diet. Your right, no excuses
       

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