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    1. remstation

      remstation Well-Known Member

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      Hi Lads.

      I am running 150mg test prop a week and i was running dbol at 30mg a day also.


      I was using nolva to prevent gyno and had no issues but my libido was being effected.

      I was advised on here to take Adex at .05mg every day, and to stop the nolva.

      I have done this and i have now begun to notice i am getting puffy nipples. I can feel no lumps or any thing but i am obviously a bit concerned. What would you advise i do? Would it be an idea to revert back to the Nolva instead?

      Suggestions welcome, i dont want this to get any worse.
       
    2. defelqy

      defelqy Well-Known Member

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      Gyno starting even with adex

      I've posted many times, nothing beats arimidex, but you MUST use 1mg/ED. Thats what they give to post menopausal women to stop what LITTLE test and DHEA they have converting to oestrogen.. so why do stupid people think a male taking multiple times the natural hormone level, need less????

      BTW 10mg dbol is considered an adult replacement dose of androgen. So 30mg/day dbol ALONE can give you gyno...

      stick to the arimidex at 1mg/day. It takes 2 weeks to build to peak plasma levels (nolva takes a month)
       
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      vijugati8g Well-Known Member

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      Gyno starting even with adex

      Will do boss! Reps.

      Do you think that the adex at 1mg a day alone will suffice? Will that dose reverse the symptoms or just prevent further damage?
       
    4. Korporalegq

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      Gyno starting even with adex

      I take you mean 150mg prop eod???

      I think the people that get away with low dose AI's are not very, if at all gyno prone! I personally have to take at least a tab of letro EOD to keep it in check
       
    5. Raleoxilevz

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      Gyno starting even with adex

      you"re not to fat so yes, just run it at 1mg/ED for 6 weeks, it should work well, if not, its letrozole (which i use daily, but then i take over 3g of test)
       
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      Gyno starting even with adex

      Would running 1mg adex ED effect gains? Don't you need some estrogen?
       
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      Last edited by Fat; Today at 09:18 PM.
       
    8. Korporalegq

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      Gyno starting even with adex

      Sorry i meant 150mg EOD!!

      Ok i have just took the other half tab so i will see how it goes.

      Cheers for the help, i will update results!
       
    9. masoven4u

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      Gyno starting even with adex

      not at all, since Arimidex SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASES IGF-1:

      just a point, arimidex is better with clomid, as arimidex raises test higher than nolva:
      http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBo...stosterone.htm

      further nolva reduces IGF-1:
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11299809

      and arimidex increases IGF-1:
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11983488

      so i favour arimidex over nolva, even if arimidex costs a little more...

      and, more importantly, 1mg arimidex will not drop your hormone levels to less than normal:

      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...centration.png

      if you look at the blood levels of oestradiol, they are about the same for MEN and POST MENOPAUSAL women. Any way you look at it,If you have 5 times the hormonal level by your calculation, how is 2.5mg/week adequate when the recommended dose is 7mg/week??

      The normal oestrodiol (top range) for men is 200pmol/L. so lets say by your numbers its 5x higher, so 1000pmol/L. now arimidex decreases serum oestrodiol in most studies by 85%, when taken at 1mg/day. So, (1-0.85)x1000=150pmol/L.

      So as a result, even by your numbers, when taking the recommended 1mg/day of arimidex (which provides the 85% reduction), you still would have 150pmol/L, and the low end of the reference range is 50pmol/L. Its hardly like your even down at the low end...

      check out all my posts on this point (including IGF-1) on this thread:
      http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-t...intless-3.html
       
    10. Capone

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      Gyno starting even with adex

      Aus have you ever heard of letro being linked to increased fractures or decreased bone density?
       

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